May I be Shallow for a moment?

LivingDaylight · 4 months

Extremely.

The way it works (for me definitely, likely for many other guys) is that a girl needs to meet a minimum physical attractiveness threshold (PAT). I coined this term just now, by the way.

The way this works is that if a woman's physical appearance does not meet my threshold she is immediately removed from my upper-echelon lists, such as "would approach", girlfriend material, etc. This appearance is the type that is judge-able in a photo; confidence, personality, how she carries herself is not important.

To meet this threshold both body and face need to be past the threshold, there is a separate category for both, and both must be met to reach the upper echelon lists. Women who don't meet the threshold can go on lower lists such as one night stand, friendzone, fuck-buddy.

Once a woman is past this threshold, her personality, confidence, etc. become exponentially more important. What I mean by this, is that once a girl is past the threshold relative physical attractiveness is no longer a big deal; I would choose a girl with an awesome personality over a more attractive girl with a lame personality as long as the less attractive girl is over the PAT.

Given these factors, keep in mind that you don't have to be "very thin" to be attractive. I like a variety of body types, but the two constants (body only;common but not all guys agree) are:

The waist MUST be smaller than the hips. This is an absolute rule for me.
The bum must not be flat. Also an absolute rule.

Regardless of all of the above, there are plenty of proverbial fish in the sea, many who find different body types attractive.

taylornator7 · 4 months

When I look at a woman's body, I use my own body as a base level fitness comparison. I'm not the most fit guy, but not un-fit at the same time. To have some wild expectation of a woman's physique, while not having the same male-equivalent expectations about my own would be hypocritical. Also, this doesn't mean other non-physical aspects of the person can't sway my attraction to them.

As for the general male population... If I have learned anything about the Human race, it's that we are more like animals than we would like to believe. If there isn't an initial physical attraction, then it won't work out. That goes for men and women alike.

Ortus · 4 months

Good enough for an erection->good enough to date

LoveCurves · 4 months

For my opinion, see: screenname

To expand, I honestly care less about bra size, waist size, etc, than I do about Waist:Hip ratio. Size 24, with the right WHR? Yes please! Size 2 with the right WHR? First, how?! Second, Where shall we go?

MrConventional · 4 months

Body confidence is important. Whatever your body type, feel sexy in your skin.

www777com · 4 months

For me, I'd write you off if you were really thin. I like curves, hips, boobs, legs. If you're so thin you have no butt, knobby knees, or I can make out the shape of your bones like in the shoulders and collar bone, I'll write you off. The more skeletal you look, the less attractive I think you are.

DeTrueSnyder · 4 months

I like a many different body types, but at the end of the day an ugly laugh or attitude is more of a turn off than a belly.

SirElkarOwhey · 4 months

Some guys like a heavier woman, so even if the answer is "important" that doesn't let you out.

For my part, before getting married, I liked to ride my bike through a park about 3 miles from my house, which makes for a 10-mile total ride, and there was a lake I walked my dog around, which came to about a mile and half between leaving the house and getting back. So if you looked like you wouldn't be able to share those things with me, you'd have gone down a point or two. Doesn't mean an automatic writeoff, but I would be thinking about it.

Viend · 4 months

I'm not sure I can speak for all guys when I say this, but personally I pay attention a lot to what women are wearing, not just their body. Obviously different men will have different tastes, but if I had to choose between two twins and one was wearing this whereas the other was wearing this I would view the former in much higher regard than the latter. Of course, a good body would help but even if you were hot but had no sense of style it takes away from your attractiveness, even if the men who are looking at you don't even realize it.

this-is-stupid · 4 months

I want to be attracted to a woman if I'm going to approach her in any non-platonic way. But, I've found that approaching women based on their looks is a really good way to meet a ton of shitty women.

[deleted] · 4 months

the first thing i judge in a woman is her fitness. i need a girl that can run, rock climb, snowboard, and all that. so yes, i do immediately write off girls based on their figure, just like most girls write me off for my short height.

Lorgramoth · 4 months

For me, it's tertiary.

Mind: If she's shallow, stupid, believes in horoscopes etc, no way she could be attractive to me. Interesting women all the things! I rarely encounter interesting women below the age of 22. (I'm 28)
Sexyness: If she's not into me or sex (in general, including relationships), she's not right for me. If she is hot for me, I'm the hotter for her.
Body: I don't know if I could find a woman attractive that is bony/very thin. Or is significantly older than me (More than 10 years). Otherwise, all engines are go if steps 1+2 are positive.

If I could choose, I'd go for a taller woman with a big behind and general cushioning going on.

Turnoffs: Shaved women creep me out... it looks too 'young' for me. I always wondered if this is the other side of the spectrum from pedophiles. (No, I don't think 'grannys' are attractive). Plus, varicose veins.... shudder

elasto · 3 months

It's different for all men, but I think younger men prefer slim, nice looking women. You don't have to be a model, but you do have to be thin. Not bony, but slim and in a healthy shape.

As guys get older, I think they see the personality being more important. Since I'm in my 40's, a good connection with her personality can compensate for average looks or a bit of being overweight. And yes, I like waist to be smaller than hips, so I can see that feminine curve.

Besides, many girls think they are overweight, and they are not. Flabby perhaps, but not overweight. So, I can't agree that you are overweight without seeing you. I'm considered overweight, but I'm all muscle. I'm pretty lean.

BlazerMorte · 4 months

How important is a girl's body? Exceptionally. Does that mean a girl has to be thin to be sexy? Hell no.

njtrafficsignshopper · 4 months

You might find /r/rateme useful.

I'd say for most of us it is very important, however our criteria vary widely.

ProjektTHOR · 4 months

Dunno, man. I like hair. It's the first thing I notice when I meet someone for the first time.

I guess that counts as body, right?

AsInOptimus · 4 months

Gentlemen, if I could jump in with a question?

When does a lady's level of confidence come into play? Does eye contact make a difference?

Feckless · 4 months

I read some of the responses and I find it hard for me to fit in there, because I can not put my finger on it. I can not. I would say I have tendencies, nothing more. And this is about the big picture. When I see a woman it is either there is attraction or there is not. And the ones I find attractive can vastly differ from eage other. Large butt, small butt, thin, large, small breasts, huge breasts, etc. Sure, the outliers are probably not for me (very huge, very thin, very old) but in between very different kinds of women are fair game. I tend to not like blond women, but this isn't really an exclusive thing.

Anyhow, I think the concept of PAT LivingDaylight had is quite good and would describe me in a way that a potential partner has to meet my treshold, just that I can not explain exactly how my treshold works.

Man, I am sure that does not help.

ameoba · 4 months

If you're only a 6/10, don't expect to do better than a 7 or 8 unless you're phenomenal in some other area of your life - rich, smart, famous.

umbrellarequiem · 4 months

I'm glad that the guys in here are being honest. Of course it's important. For me, it goes like this (after the whole overall face thing): Teeth, butt, whatever- I don't care about much else after that (just my preference). I'll be honest, for me, "thin" is absolutely a no-no as far as sexual attraction goes. Just not my thing at all.

ojolejano · 4 months

Laughter.

Women's laughter is like music to my ears. But, there are some that sound like a drunk horse trying to say the alphabet backwards. That's not good.

Edit: And ass, she has to have a nice ass.

generaltimtim · 4 months

Body is not that important really, a nice face is more important in my opinion.

Whisper · 4 months

Depends on the guy.

You wanna know what guys like, don't look at models. Models are selected to appeal to women and gay men. Look at porn actresses.

Every porn actress has guys who like the way she's shaped. If there's one that's shaped like you, guys who like the way she looks will like the way you look.

/prefers chubby women... so long as they aren't fat.

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