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[–]zzbenz 10 points11 points ago

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Lately I've been wondering about this, "Everyone deserves to be loved" business.
What if you're an abusive, manipulative person? What if you emotionally or physically (or both) abuse people in your life? Do you deserve love? What if you have no intention of changing your manipulative, controlling and abusive ways. Do you deserve to be loved?

[–]OutsideObserver 1 point2 points ago

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Yes, and it was probably a lack of love that drove the person to that behavior in the first place. Love is understanding and a desire to help. If the person truly cannot be helped, then love can be pity. Love does not always mean respect.

[–]zzbenz 7 points8 points ago

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Love is not pity. Love is respect. Real love at least. There is nothing I love that I don't also respect.
I agree that it was a lack of love that led them to be that way, but there's no excuse to treat others badly because you were treated bad.

[–]OutsideObserver 0 points1 point ago

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I don't think it's an excuse either. Love can be pity though. Pity is a form of caring, which is what love is all about. You don't pity things you don't feel for, you just don't care about them.

Love can be respect, but it isn't always. I love my aunt, even though I don't respect her in the slightest. She has made terrible decisions in life, and I have very little faith that she will ever be successful or productive. I still do everything I can to make sure she's okay, because I love her.

[–]zzbenz 1 point2 points ago

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Just because you care for something doesn't instantly mean you love it. I care for a lot of things I don't love.
Good point about respect/love though. That can be true. In my experience, it isn't, but obviously my experience is limited to me.

I see the point that all people are entitled to love. I'd put one caveat though; that doesn't mean all people are entitled to romantic love.

[–]OutsideObserver 0 points1 point ago

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No of course not. Romantic love is something special that not everyone will experience for real. And yeah, I'm definitely not claiming to be the definer of love here. Just sharing my musings.

[–]zzbenz 0 points1 point ago

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I get it. I wasn't trying to troll or argue. It was just a musing I'd been having lately.

[–]johnbentley 0 points1 point ago

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Or, even less dramatically, all attempts at arousing an interest, in anything, are met with stone faced indifference.

[–]atheistlibrarian 2 points3 points ago

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I wonder if love is something like one of those round-a-bouts. They go in a circle and have multiple exits but no one really knows how to use them. When you go into one you have to worry about getting hit by the guy in the SUV that is on his cell phone. It's really just one big tight turn and you wonder why they couldn't just put in a damn stop light.

[–]TrollyG-Yo 0 points1 point ago

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I remember a chapter about this in "Chicken Poop for the Soul."

It was a satirical essay, much like yours, that then developed into a stalker. "Most people would stop loving after being arrested, but how weak-hearted! The restraining order never made me stop loving you!"

Yadda yadda

[–]madsonm 0 points1 point ago

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Very true...

We love in our own way, through actions that are individually defined. It is an emotion you feel...so why do people think it must be defined by another? Just because your feelings are unwanted or misunderstood doesn't change what they are.

[–]atheistlibrarian 0 points1 point ago

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I wonder if love is something one of those round-a-bouts. They go in the circle and have multiple exits but no one really knows how to use them. When you go into one you have to worry about getting hit by the guy in the SUV that is on his cell phone. It's really just one big tight turn and you wonder why they couldn't just put in a damn stop light.

[–]periphery72271 0 points1 point ago

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Everyone deserves the opportunity to be loved.

Whether they take advantage of that or not is another thing. If they squander that opportunity by basically being unlovable, that's their fault.

And a person who continues to give the gift of love to someone who cannot or will not reciprocate in any way is a fool or a masochist.

If you wish to waste your love in that manner, have at it. I'm not that guy.

Saying that there is no difference between loving someone and being in love with someone only makes me wonder if you may not have done enough of either to tell. I know for sure that I can.

[–]rikxik 0 points1 point ago

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When you have something amazing happen to you, you want to say "Everyone deserves to experience this amazing thing!!". Irrespective of whether that "something" is love or not. Seems you are in love.