Shut a guy up without saying a word [x-post from r/Fitness]

andreaamazon · 2012-05-24T04:09:02.255770+00:00

It changed my life when I realized this. Most people are too busy worrying about themselves to give a shit about what anybody else is up to :)

countingchickens · 4 days

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harum rerum nuntiis in castra perlatis cum re nova trepidus rex pergeret Romam ad comprimendos motus, flexit viam Brutus - senserat enim adventum - ne obvius fieret; eodemque fere tempore diversis itineribus Brutus Ardeam, Tarquinius Romam venerunt.

harum < hic, haec, hoc - demonstrative adjective - this, that - here fem. gen. pl.

nuntius, -a, um - message bearing; essentially = message

perlatis < perfero, perferre, pertuli, perlatus - to bring or carry through

nuntiis in castra perlatis - that unique construction that we've seen before, the ablative absolute - a participle and a modified noun in the ablative - lit. 'with these messages having been carried all over in the camps'

cum - here the conjunction (etymologically quom) - introducing a temporal clause - 'when'

trepidus, -a, -um - restless, disturbed, alarmed

pergo, pergere (3), perrexi, perrectum - to go, to hurry on, continue vigorously. Here an imperfect subjunctive in the temporal clause; translate as indicative

Romam - why is there no preposition here? We saw this last time as well - what is that little group of exceptions for this sort of thing?

motus, motus, M. - a motion, movement; in this context, a rebellion, sedition

comprimo, comprimere (3), compressi, compressum - to press together; restrain, hold back, hinder, repress

ad comprimendos motus - a construction we don't yet have - lit. 'for the purpose of quelling the rebellions'

flecto, flectere (3), flexi, flexum - to bend, turn. The idiom viam flectere, lit. to turn the road, means to avoid, to escape notice - I guess the idea is that you weren't where people thought you would be, i.e. on the road.

sentio, sentire, sensi, sensum - (I think we've had this, but anyway) - to sense, perceive with the senses (e.g. to hear, smell, see), feel. What tense is that?

enim - postpositive particle - for, as - note how it is, as usual, explaining the information that precedes it - tells you why Brutus flexit viam.

adventus, adventus, M. - one of our new 4th declension nouns!

ne obvius fieret - a negative purpose clause - 'in order that he not be in the way' - obvius, -a, -um is literally 'in the road,' i.e. blocking the path - here it suggests that he doesn't want to run into Tarquin on the road.

eodem < is, ea, id - this same, that very, here neut. abl. sing.

fere - adverb - closely, just

iter, itineris, N. - this was one of the words in the last chapter we did last week!

diversus, -a, -um - different, contrary, deviating

Ardea, ae, F. - Ardea, the capital of the Rutuli, a bit south of Rome. I don't remember why Tarquin was there.

Ardeam, Romam - both accusatives, no prepositions in sight... what's the deal here again? Notice that it's a verb of motion, hint hint.

countingchickens · 4 days

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Tarquinio clausae portae exsiliumque indictum: liberatorem urbis laeta castra accepere, exactique inde liberi regis.

claudo, claudere (3?), clausi, clausus - to close, shut, shut up

exsilium / exilium, exsilii / exsilii, N. - exile, banishment (a fascinating punishment for criminal charges - we'll talk about it one of these days)

indico, indicere (3), indixi, indictum ( in + dico) - to declare publicly, announce, proclaim; impose, inflict, as a punishment

Where are the forms of sum that should be accompanying these participles?! Well, Livy knew you fill them in for yourself, so he left them out. Get used to this.

liberator, liberatoris, M. - liberator

laetus, -a, -um - glad, cheerful, delighted

accipio, accipere (3), accepi, acceptum (ad + capio) - to accept, receive

exigo, exigere (3), exegi, exactum (ex + ago) - to drive out, turn out, expel

inde - adverb - thence, from there (in space and time)

countingchickens · 4 days

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duo patrem secuti sunt, qui exsulatum Caere in Etruscos ierunt.

duo - i.e. the other two sons, excluding Sex. Tarquinius

sequor, sequi, -----, secutus - to follow, pursue - deponent, i.e. active in meaning even though passive in form

exsulatus, exsulatus, M. - banishment, exile. I'm honestly not sure why this isn't being governed by a preposition - I'll get back to you on that.

eo, ire, ivi / ii, ----- (?) - to go, to come - slightly irregular 4th conjugation - what form is ierunt?

Etruscos - Etruria, a territory near Rome (and the Etruscans were in indo-Italic people predating the Romans quite a bit). This is a loan word from Etruscan, and I actually have no idea what the nom. is, but this has to be the acc.

Caere, [Caeritis], F. - Caere, an ancient city in Etruria. Another loan word, and those always come with problems - the real form should be Caerite, but at some point Latin decided that Caere would be indeclinable, so one form for every case. However, you should still be able to figure out what case it is, and why it doesn't have a preposition!

countingchickens · 4 days

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Sex. Tarquinius Gabios tamquam in suum regnum profectus ab ultoribus veterum simultatium, quas sibi ipse caedibus rapinisque conciverat, est interfectus.

Gabii, Gabiorum, M. - Gabii, an ancient city of Latium not far from Rome. NB a good number of cities have their names in the plural - Athens, for instance, is plural in Greek and Latin - you can think of that final -s as making it plural in English too now. Thus also Gabii.

tamquam - conjunction - as if, just as

suus, -a, -um - 3rd p. personal adjective - his own

regnum, -i, N. - kingly authority, royalty, kingship

profectus < proficiscor, proficiscere (3), -----, profectus - to set out, go march, travel. Another deponent: active in meaning but passive in form. This one is a true participle - the main finite verb comes all the way at the end of the sentence.

ultor, ultoris, M. - avenger, punisher. NB the temple of Mars Ultor - Mars the Avenger - in the Roman Forum.

simultas, simultatis, F. - enmity, jealousy, grudge, rivalry

vetus, veteris - old, ancient

quas - relative pronoun, here fem. acc. pl.

sibi ipse - both refer to Sex. Tarquinius - the first (sibi) is dat., 'to / for himself,' the second is nom., 'he himself.' The word order is a bit out of the ordinary, but keeping the two pronouns right there together increases the rhetorical effect.

concieo, conciere (2), concivi, concitum - to hasten, urge on, provoke

caedes, caedis, F. - slaughter, the results of slaughter (i.e. gore)

rapina, rapinae, F. - plundering, pillaging, robbery, rape - the root of the word has to do with seizing and taking things that you shouldn't.

countingchickens · 4 days

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L. Tarquinius Superbus regnavit annos quinque et viginti.

quinque et viginti - 5 and 20, i.e. 25

countingchickens · 4 days

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regnatum Romae ab condita urbe ad liberatam annos ducentos quadraginta quattuor.

regnatum - the perfect passive participle neuter nom. sing. of regno (1) - here used in an interesting Latin construction, the impersonal passive. It expresses the fact of an action, regardless of who was acting. In this case, 'there was a kingly ruling,' i.e. there was a king.

Romae - you know what I'm going to ask: what form is this!

ab condita urbe - lit. from the city having been founded, i.e. from the founding of the city

ducentos quadraginta quattuor - 200 40 4 - i.e. 244.

countingchickens · 4 days

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duo consules inde comitiis centuriatis a praefecto urbis ex commentariis Ser. Tulli creati sunt, L. Iunius Brutus et L. Tarquinius Collatinus.

comitiis centuriatis - the committee of the centuriate - I don't remember all that much about official Roman positions - they are fascinating but insanely complicated. Delve into them at your own risk.

a praefecto urbis - the urban prefect. Again, an official position whose details I forget.

commentarius, -i, M. - commentary, notes - the genre of how history was done in archaic Rome was called the commentary tradition, so this refers to an ancient official record book of some sort.

creo, creare, creavi, creatus - to create, bring forth, produce

Collatinus - I had forgotten he's a Tarquin too - I guess his branch of the family was okay though.

bfelix · 4 days

Could be, and it certainly wouldn't surprise me that the ancients came up with such an, ahem, uncouth name. However, Aigyptos is a mythical king, and shows up as the name of the country already in Homer (~7th c. BCE). Herodotus (5th c. BCE) calls the people Aigyptioi. There is a similar noun meaning goat (aix), but it's root is different so I wouldn't expect them to be linguistically related. On the other hand, that isn't to diminish the racism of the ancient Greeks - there's also a very 'to act Egyptian,' which means to be crafty and sneaky.

edit: this is not to say it couldn't be a folk etymology, though - it makes perfect sense as that :)

xyphere · 4 days

Bob and Barbara's! Live old-school jazz, drag shows, and amazing old beer posters on the wall. The place is brilliant.

Tea-in-bed13 · 6 days

You see, the real reason people are up in arms about BC is that the government refuses to give government money to religious hospitals if they refuse to cover it on their employees insurance. Which, of course, got turned into a slutshaming hatefest due to misinformation, ignorance, and self-righteousness...culture wars of 50 years ago rearing their ugly head yet again.

Yes!! This is the real reason. I hate to be cynical, but it almost always comes back to money. Money trumps morality, but morality is a really convenient way to make your outrage about money look more respectable. Someone above mentioned that it's a useful way for people with a voice in politics / the media to rail against 'Obamacare,' which is certainly is, but this financial piece about religious hospitals is key, and I'd forgotten about it until you mentioned it.

Sp4m · 7 days

I know I could google this, so feel free to ignore if you want, but: what is parchment paper supposed to do? I've done a lot of baking and never used it, and I've always been fine. What's different with it?

countingchickens · 7 days

Thanks! That log cabin quilt is beautiful. I had no idea there was like a modern quilting movement, interesting, and I think they do suit my aesthetic better (plus, screw perfectly squared corners!). Just for fun, here's the quilt I finished (a baby quilt, something like 36x...45ish?), and this is the one I'm still working on (a twin size) (I admit, I'm not totally crazy about it). Both were made in an effort to reduce my fabric stash.

The one I'm making for my friends looks a little blah without context, I realized - actually the pattern is a significant one (the floor of the Pantheon) that is important to them and will mean a lot, so the traditional aspect is important here :)

And the square shortcut is brilliant, that's exactly the kind of secret I'm looking for!

Keep your fingers crossed for me!

countingchickens · 9 days

Oh, I missed this last week - but actually it doesn't require a whole lot of comment! And yes, that last para really is over the top, even for Cicero. As for Appius Claudius Caecus, dude totally built Rome - Via Appia and Acqua Appia remained centrally important down through... well, into medieval times, so beyond my realm of knowledge. See you in a bit!

countingchickens · 9 days

ok y'all, I totally forgot about Cicero again. But since no one reminded me, I guess I don't feel too bad. Still, if you want to get some Cicero on, you can find the text with hotlinked morphology and vocab help here. It doesn't give much help with particular constructions, but frequently you can find that in the dictionary entries (e.g. if a certain verb always takes an ablative or something). Maybe that's how we'll do it from now on - anyone who wants to can work on that, and I'll be available for help and feedback.

honeytrap · 10 days

(I was just looking for updates about you and found this, sorry if it's a startling intrusion from the past.) I'm glad you're moving around down there, even if you're not quite surfacing yet. Depression is so dumb. I hope the meds are helping - they are magic for me - I get out of bed, like, almost every morning now! ;) In all seriousness, here's another internet stranger rooting for you and still loving you hard, blog silence or not. Take all the time you need, just be okay <3

countingchickens · 16 days

Very nice. The couple of hiccups have a good bit to do with the very condensed style here. So:

with whom he had been brought together by chance on his return to Rome by his wife's announcement

You may be understanding this correctly, but I can't tell from your translation, so to be sure: cum quo rediens is one part - '[Collatinus] returning to Rome with whom [Brutus],' but Collatinus had been ab nuntio conventus erat - 'had been met by the announcer.' Compare the ablative of accompaniment - cum quo - with the ablative of agent - ab nuntio. On the comma point, count your blessings - remember that's an editorial kindness, the original would have had little or no punctuation... ;)

Yup - viro quaerenti - 'to the man asking.' Sometimes it's worth messing with the position of your participle - i.e. attributive (pure adjective) vs. circumstantial (more verbal). I'm not sure the inquit helps you here, but it is worth mentioning that Latin tends to be quite good at signaling a change in subject - if there isn't a new subject made explicit one way or another, you can generally assume there's no change.

Indeed.

This actually took me quite a while to parse out, precisely because of that mihi sibique. What is governing that damn dative?! The bare bones of that relative clause are 'abstulit gaudium' - so 'It's Sex. Tarquin who took his pleasure.' hinc gives you adverbial info: from here. Pestiferum has to be a predicate adjective, and that is what is governing the dative: the pleasure was pestilential to me and, if you be men, to him as well. It was not at all obvious to me at first, but I'm pretty sure that's how it's working. We're picking up with this last sentence tonight, though, so we can iron it out then.

As for ST's sense of entitlement... well, his dad was king, and his dad's cognomen was Superbus...

laymedown · 17 days

Amazingly bad. WTF happened to 2X? Bummer.

dokkeynot · 24 days

Is that the same as the Cavanaughs in W. Phila? I've been there for a burger once, kind of early on a weekday, and it seemed innocuous, but I've never seen the night crowd.

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